Issue: playing SWS/BD not worth it.

[RRLLNN 1]

Issues with BD/SWS 

 

1- They're still used as boxes everywhere. Why? See Nr2.

2- You're still better off having another class in your pt and switching when you need to dance. Almost nobody plays this class as main for good reason.

3- Right now there's 0 reason to play a BD and a SWS. Might as well play a Tank class.

 

You created BD/SwS with some restrictions when leaving pt (like Zerk Dance to disappear when leaving pt) because you wanted this class to be played, not boxed. But right now there's 0 incentives. Give this class some love.

Suggestion: Make Rythms give a stronger % only to the SWS/BD (like Self Power)

 

Rythm of Body: 

To party: 30% HP and 20 Speed / To SwS/BD: 35% HP and 25 Speed

Rythm of Defense

To party: 25% and Pdef 30% M.Def / To SwS/BD: 28% P.def 33% M.Def

Rythm of Power

To Party: 20% M.Atk and 12% P.Atk / To SwS/BD: 25 M.Atk and% 16 P.Atk 

Rythm of Critical

To party: 100% Critical Rate and 35% Crit Damage / To SwS/BD: 115% Critical Rate and 40% Crit Damage

Rythm of Rage

To party: 30% Casting Speed, -40% Magic Cancel Damage and Atk. Speed +15% / To SwS/BD: 35% Casting Speed, -50% Magic Cancel Damage and 20% Atk. Speed

Rythm of Benefit

To party: Accuracy +4, Evasion +3 and HP Regen 20% / To SwS/BD: Accuracy +5, Evasion +4, HP Regen +30%

Divine Rythm

To Party: Holy Enhancement of Physical Attack + 20% and Dark Resist +20% / To SwS/BD: Holy Phys + 25% and Dark Resist 25%

 

As it is right now there's literally 0 reason to play SWS and BD other than putting them in pt every few minutes for Rythms and maybe zerk. It's a box char. Give them some love, you currently have a server of 70% mages 10% fighters and 20% boxes. Give bards some love. There's only like 10 bard mains in the whole server FFS. 

 

Thanks for listening.

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[HotSWAG 1]

Making a class stronger does not provide a solution to the class being boxed or not, and they already do pretty good damage if built properly. This literally does not make any sense. And a class being boxed is only limited to your use of the class. Like you can say SE/EE is a box class, because they need to only give recharge and clarity/RS off party. Now, the next thing they are going to do with what you are complaining about is that every buff and thing you do will only be available inside the party.

Even if you want to swap SWS/BD out right now, the character going in will be without the buffs, how good is that?

Also, what's with the made-up percentage statistics, which likely came out of your ass? I don't think you polled people on the server; making them up to support your point is dumb.

[RRLLNN 1]

Huh? Brother I run a top dual +8, tried running STR dyes and I hit non tank classes for 500-600 damage on full buffs and mages for 700-800 damage with Deadly Strike. If you think that's "good damage" then you're not very bright. Again, with a +++weapon that very few players have. 

I don't care what damage YOU do when you hit C graders, I'm talking about PvPing vs players with top gear here. I don't care about your experience fighting lvl 50s in DV, thanks. 

Also, there's plenty of reasons to main Elders since they can heal and recharge, etc. Frankly your comprison is brain dead. I'll ignore you from now on so my IQ doesn't drop reading your posts.

I'm not asking for BD/SwS to become DDs. I'm asking the devs to give a proper reason to main them because right now there isn't. They're nothing but rythm bots. Clearly, the devs intend bards to be played, not boxed, otherwise they wouldn't have restricted zerk dance to be active only with the BD in party. So if the devs want people to main bards, then they need to do better than making the class be rythm bots and then 1 pt skill  every 5 minutes. Up to them.

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[RRLLNN 1]

bump

[HotSWAG 1]

On 1/8/2026 at 12:26 AM, RRLLNN said:

Huh? Brother I run a top dual +8, tried running STR dyes and I hit non tank classes for 500-600 damage on full buffs and mages for 700-800 damage with Deadly Strike. If you think that's "good damage" then you're not very bright. Again, with a +++weapon that very few players have. 

I don't care what damage YOU do when you hit C graders, I'm talking about PvPing vs players with top gear here. I don't care about your experience fighting lvl 50s in DV, thanks. 

Also, there's plenty of reasons to main Elders since they can heal and recharge, etc. Frankly your comprison is brain dead. I'll ignore you from now on so my IQ doesn't drop reading your posts.

I'm not asking for BD/SwS to become DDs. I'm asking the devs to give a proper reason to main them because right now there isn't. They're nothing but rythm bots. Clearly, the devs intend bards to be played, not boxed, otherwise they wouldn't have restricted zerk dance to be active only with the BD in party. So if the devs want people to main bards, then they need to do better than making the class be rythm bots and then 1 pt skill  every 5 minutes. Up to them.

That's funny, because right now there is 0 proof of your words apart from "I said so, so it must be true". Even if it is true, your estimation of it being low is just your opinion. You have not conducted any comparisons with other classes or anything else to prove your point. Yet you call my comparisons braindead.. Right now, you are the only brain-dead one here with 0 proof to support your claims. Come back when you do proper research apart from "look guys, I hit him for 700 damage, that must be low" because you sound stupid.

[RRLLNN 1]

You have brain rot.

 

A BD/SWS with a Yaksa*Yaksa +8 and + STR dyes hits a Mage for 800 damage.

A Paladin hits a Mage for 800 damage with Shield Bash using -10 STR dyes with a top B weapon.

 

Make it make sense. Also, I don't give a shit about damage. I care about the class be worth maining. I'm done replying to you, bojo

[RRLLNN 1]

There's like 5 SWS/BD mains in the whole server. DESPERATELY need a buff.

[HotSWAG 1]

On 1/17/2026 at 12:29 AM, RRLLNN said:

You have brain rot.

 

A BD/SWS with a Yaksa*Yaksa +8 and + STR dyes hits a Mage for 800 damage.

A Paladin hits a Mage for 800 damage with Shield Bash using -10 STR dyes with a top B weapon.

 

Make it make sense. Also, I don't give a shit about damage. I care about the class be worth maining. I'm done replying to you, bojo

It will start making sense once you post any proof of your claims. Right now, this is only getting more embarrassing for you. You have 0 basis for what you are claiming.

Also, the class can literally do 0 damage and it would still be worth maining. Just like Bishop, SE/EE/PP, or any other support class, is supposed to deal 0 damage in their supporting role and is still great. Yet, they can do damage, but not as much as a dealer. You are just as dumb as bricks, what can you do.

On 1/19/2026 at 12:34 AM, RRLLNN said:

There's like 5 SWS/BD mains in the whole server. DESPERATELY need a buff.

Yeah, you are beyond clueless. Just like before, you pull the numbers out of your ass and present them as truth. You are so retarded.

[Roniakia 71]

16.01.2026 в 23:29, RRLLNN сказал:

You have brain rot.

 It's actually you. You are the only one here, who tries to convert Bard class into DD. 

[RRLLNN 1]

Clowns. 

I don't want Bards to become DDs. I was just pointing out that they're lackluster in every way, including damage. There's no point maining them. That's why there's like 5 Bard mains in the whole server. 99% of them are boxes. 

 

Fucking clowns @Roniakia @HotSWAG

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Mistakes

[BoostedAnimal 218]

I actually agree with the TC.

I played BD on Lu4. It was fun exping, but I felt like I was making an impact for the Party.
Damage is mediocre, and it's fine since Bard should not be a DD. But the issue is that the main impact for the party is in the Rythms that are just passive buffs and active skills that I had don't really matter that much, and frankly have a crappy chance.

However, I don't think giving Bard more DPS is a solution. I'd suggest expanding their debuff arsenal or giving them some powerful Party buffs for 10 sec.
It'd be even better if we could have some sort of skill-link mechanics (like staks for debuffs that can be used by other skills/debuffs), but that looks like a lot of work.

[HotSWAG 1]

On 1/27/2026 at 6:12 AM, RRLLNN said:

Clowns. 

I don't want Bards to become DDs. I was just pointing out that they're lackluster in every way, including damage. There's no point maining them. That's why there's like 5 Bard mains in the whole server. Now go back to pretending there's bard main in every pt and not an off box for Rythms.

 

Fucking clowns @Roniakia @HotSWAG

Yeah, pointing out without any proof. Your words mean jack's shit, I'm sorry. Unless you conduct a proper evaluation, your words don't mean a thing. Because you have no idea what you are talking about, and are trying to pretend as if you do. And yes, bards are currently in every party and would still be in every party even if they did literally 0 damage because damage is not the primary strength of a bard, clown. And if by literally comparing damage, saying their damage is low compared to other classes, you were not implying you want more damage from them, I'm sorry, but you are either illiterate or brain-dead, or probably both. Even though you have 0 idea how much damage they actually do, because you never did a measurement, yet you state this so confidently, clueless clown.

[RRLLNN 1]

I'm probably the best geared Bard in the server by far and I have tested extensively, but go ahead and type your vomit salad.

 

And if you had read the OP, you would've seen I never mentioned damage as a problem, I mentioned the problem is overall how boxeable the class is. In the first post I replied to you I also made it clear I don't want Bards to become DDs. I just pointed out how terrible their damage output is. I guess you can't read BECAUSE I EVEN SUGGESTED SOME CHANGES THAT DON'T MAKE BARDS BETTER DDS. You ignorant, non reading uneducated fools.

 

Stop replying to my thread.

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